Brilliant game up til Level 9. I won't be finishing it.

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Brilliant game up til Level 9. I won't be finishing it.

Post by entro » Fri May 04, 2012 9:14 pm

I'm posting this because LoG was such a breath of fresh (dungeon) air in so many ways that I really hope the developers can avoid what felt like a slap in the face for their future projects.

I proudly paid for the game, started my first run on Hard, and enjoyed the hell out of myself for eight levels. But now I have no interest in trying to finish the game.

My issue isn't with the puzzles (which are, except for the one we're all thinking of, fantastic), or that the game requires patience or lateral thinking. My issue is that starting with Level 9, the designers decided that some basic rules they've skilfully and subtly taught the player through hours of excellent gameplay up until that point should just go out the window, because that will make it more "challenging."

Rule #1: Exploration is encouraged. Up until the ice lizards. Now exploration is punished, because these G-D snow raptors will spawn endlessly and surround you in a narrow hallway if you dare to backtrack for something you think you might have missed.

Rule #2: There is sometimes more than one way to approach a level. Up until the ice lizards. Now you'd better have done everything in the order we decided, or it's death by Clever Girls when you have to backtrack.

Rule #3: While there is challenging combat, this game is more about thinking than reflexes. Or, at least, it was. Because now you're drawing dinosaurs in to square rooms so you can do a ridiculous square dance for five minutes each, one-by-one. Maybe for half an hour, because they spawn endlessly, of course. Somehow. Dripping out of the walls, I guess.

Rule #4: You don't have to grind in this game. Well, until you do. See #3. When people talk about grinding, that's what they mean.

Rule #5: Build the kind of party you want! They all work. Focus on the kinds of weapons and items that suit your party. Oh, but if the party you wanted had no reason to be carrying four specific items through nine levels of dungeon, then you can't progress past this one puzzle. Sorry. Go back and look for crap on the floor of every previous dungeon for a couple of hours. (For the record, I had all the items with me when I encountered that puzzle, and solved it quickly - but still recognized it for how abusive it was, and the contrast with all the other thoughtfully crafted puzzles was shocking).

Rule #6: Solutions involve the things around you. Just expand your thinking. Unless we're talking about #5 above. Or unless you've made it to Level 10 but have no food, and you've been prevented from going back to look for some. That's where I am now, and there is absolutely no way of finishing the level. All my characters are deadly hungry, my mage is going to run out of energy potions, one fighter is doing like 5 damage per hit, and the other fighter is dead - which is of course going to happen when it now takes ten minutes of square dancing to whittle down one monster's hitpoints, and the only way to progress is unleash three or four of them in to a tiny room. I'm not going to go back to an earlier save-state in Level 9 to see if I can save a few hitpoints or a single potion this time.

I feel like the designers should have prepared me better for what might happen if I find myself in this state. Make it difficult for me to find more food, sure - put a challenge in the way - but, impossible? That's just vindictive, and done in poor faith.

I knowingly started a old-school game on Hard, I get that. And I loved it and built a pretty good party, and despite that ended up in an unwinnable state. I feel as though the game is saying, "Oh, you didn't make all the decisions we secretly wanted you to make, so sorry your hours of gameplay are for nothing. Better start over."

I won't, though. Such a brilliant game at the beginning, such an absuive exercise in pointless twitchy grinding at the end. A thoughtful game like this should be able to ratchet up the difficulty with something more than spamming enemies (that's modern FPS territory) and expecting me to be a mind-reader.

Best of luck with future endeavours, Almost Human. We need more games like LoG, but I feel like it would have been nice of LoG was also like LoG the whole way through. I'll keep recommending the game, but I'll also be telling people they shouldn't expect to necessarily get a full game out of it.


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Re: Brilliant game up til Level 9. I won't be finishing it.

Post by entro » Fri May 04, 2012 9:27 pm

I'm really more Gilliam than Chapman, but fair enough.

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Re: Brilliant game up til Level 9. I won't be finishing it.

Post by Skanker » Fri May 04, 2012 9:32 pm

Much like you I started on old-school hard and had lots of trouble with the ice lizards, but much like the old classics this game builds on you have to save scum and figure out how to abuse the system some. Through some quick trial and error coupled with reloading the 'unwinnable' situation just requires some deft footwork and figuring out how to manipulate the spawns and movements of the ice lizards :geek:

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Re: Brilliant game up til Level 9. I won't be finishing it.

Post by Zero » Fri May 04, 2012 9:39 pm

When I was your age I had to rocket jump to school, both ways. In BOILING LAVA!
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Re: Brilliant game up til Level 9. I won't be finishing it.

Post by Kthanid » Fri May 04, 2012 9:43 pm

entro wrote:I knowingly started a old-school game on Hard, I get that. And I loved it and built a pretty good party, and despite that ended up in an unwinnable state.
To be clear: You chose to play the game on the hard skill setting and with old school mode enabled... Then you decided to stop by here and throw yourself a pity party when the game turned out to be harder than you could handle? Seriously? Grow up.

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Re: Brilliant game up til Level 9. I won't be finishing it.

Post by Darklord » Fri May 04, 2012 9:47 pm

Glad to hear you enjoyed a lot of the game anyhow, also pleased to hear you payed for it!

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Re: Brilliant game up til Level 9. I won't be finishing it.

Post by M.M » Fri May 04, 2012 10:00 pm

C'mon ice lizards aren't half that bad. Just dont linger in "you will be hunted" area as there isn't much to do in there anyway, and don't forget to close grate behind you, as you depart. (mind there they are IIRC two grates, the first one is not at the end of lizards area).


Spiders were much more of a problem in spite of no respawn. And lizards don't respawn all that fast.
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Re: Brilliant game up til Level 9. I won't be finishing it.

Post by t0tem » Fri May 04, 2012 10:03 pm

Grievance #1-4 are about endless streams of ice lizards. Grievance #6 is about starving :shock:

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Re: Brilliant game up til Level 9. I won't be finishing it.

Post by Darklord » Fri May 04, 2012 10:08 pm

t0tem wrote:Grievance #1-4 are about endless streams of ice lizards. Grievance #6 is about starving :shock:
Hmm you know that really doesn't make any sense whatsoever does it.

I think some people just can't handle the difficulty of an old school game, but honestly if you play the game on hard with old school on, shouldn't you expect the game to be well um HARD? :?

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